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#1 Oct 31, 2009 at 10:56 am
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YO from the Goobster , JUDY JUDY JUDY !!!
Just read a column online from Tom Shatel , and he actually is blaming part of the offensive problems on Bill Callahan , and I will paste below his comment :
"Understand this: flipping the culture on offense will take some time. It might take another year or two, or until some Bill Callahan-era players are gone."
I find this comment ludicrous and lacking in football knowledge , so I sent the following email to Tom Shatel :
Hi Tom
Still using the old Callahan crutch I see , from your last article :
"Understand this: flipping the culture on offense will take some time. It might take another year or two, or until some Bill Callahan-era players are gone."
Still needing an excuse for our football fortunes ? The one thing Callahan did for us that was positive was bring in quality players. I will give you Callahan concentrated too much on offense and not defense , and now Bo probably has done the opposite , yet you still pin it all on Callahan.
I guess you guys who still have their heads in the sand as to the real culprit , Solich who took us from top ranking to unranked ; still cant swallow that huh ?
I guess you forget that last year , even though Bo definetly made strides with the defense , our offense was our strength. What you also forget is in college football , seniors move on and coaches are faced with making changes and have to adjust to a change of players every year. I guess we will see in the next 2 to 3 years how coach Pelini does with his own players , I guess if you look at Iowa State , he evidently isnt doing much better than Callahan ?
I wonder how you will spin it in a couple years , if the wins dont come ?
I am on board and % 100 percent behind Bo and think he has done a great job , but I still find it humerous at the tortured reasonings some still find to explain our fall from the top.
I also wonder if writers like yourself will look back in a few years and actually find a topic to talk about that is both accurate and football knowledgeable ?
You remind me alot of the Bush administration and now the Obama group who like to find lots of ways of blaming current negativities on the previous administration. I guess it comes down to reality and taking responsibility and accountability and absorbing it in a realistic way.
If Bo doesnt take us from where Solich and Callahan last stood , I guess you would have to look at Tom Osbornes two decisions , first giving the keys to Solich and then firing Callahan as the real reasons behind our demise.
The most revealing truth I look at in the last couple years is after Callahan took us to the Big 12 north championship in 3 years , now all his detractors say " well this is going to take time , Bo needs time " I guess Callahan only had 3 to 4 years and he had PLENTY OF TIME ? Hyprocritical to say the least. But I guess anything is fair game to folks who need an excuse as to why their man Solich was such a failure.
Of course I hope that Bo DOES take us from where we are now , but he will need more time and patience than you gave BC , or Solich for that matter. The real reason behind Callahans failure and now Bo's is the transition of coaching staffs takes away both recruits and depth.
Keep your head in the sand , I guess you need excuses for NU's play , just wonder what you will talk about when Bo has his own seniors to coach ?
Hope all is well in your football world , with your views , hope it helps you to cope with losing to Iowa State in the way we did ; Callahans fault , WOW ! I guess that makes you feel better ? I guess reporting facts and reality doesnt equate in your football world ?
Hope your reasoning works out for us , and Bo takes us to the top .
If not , boy do you and yours sure look silly ...
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#2 Oct 31, 2009 at 1:52 pm
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Why did you bother to make this post? It's the same argument you've been shouting for the last year. Go take a walk on the beach or something (and thank your lucky stars you don't live in Nebraska this time of year) and get the heck over it.
If you want to be satisfied with 25 wins in 4 years, go ahead, but don't bother the rest of us with your drivel."Opinions are immunity to being told you're wrong" -Relient K
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#3 Oct 31, 2009 at 5:06 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Big_Burruss
Why did you bother to make this post? It's the same argument you've been shouting for the last year. Go take a walk on the beach or something (and thank your lucky stars you don't live in Nebraska this time of year) and get the heck over it.
If you want to be satisfied with 25 wins in 4 years, go ahead, but don't bother the rest of us with your drivel.
THANK YOU CHET HUNTLEY...enjoyed YOUR drivel.
Actually Tom Shatel went there , and I refuse after two years of still hearing the same crowd get on the old Callahan crutch , "its all his fault". At this point it is ridiculous. I think we made progress today with Cody having a pretty good outing for a Freshman QB , and AGAIN Bo has improved the defense , and I am glad to have Bo and his staff on board , but to still have to endure the same tired blame game is too much for me to dismiss. I will call attention to it , and even while stating this , I realize that BC wasnt perfect , and had his faults.
But some still cant face reality , and still have to have a reason for it all , some of it could be that BC didnt get us righted in 4 years , which isnt fair , but you CAN argue that , however to put it all on him , especially since we are still benefiting from his recruits and coaching choices , at this point is beyond futility , its just sad. Bo has taken us far , and should be commended for his contribution , and this is all history , but some want to rewrite history to back up their opinion and they at the very least are not dealing in reality , and are deluding themselves.
Funny you called this " drivel " yet Chet , you sure are back in the saddle , arent you ?
Glad to see you back ...still deluded about Frankie ?
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#4 Oct 31, 2009 at 10:08 pm
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Just to be clear, Shatel's column was a point of view that attempted to explain the struggles of the offense. He spoke to people in the program and quotes them as saying that several of the players still aren't tough minded enough. That translates into our lack of physicality, mental errors and other breakdowns on offense. I don't think Shatel is out of bounds for reporting what he's hearing from coaches and sources who spend time with these guys everyday.Just an Opinion from this DieHardHusker
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#5 Nov 1, 2009 at 11:35 am
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Quote:Originally posted by GooberKnows
YO from the Goobster , JUDY JUDY JUDY !!!
Still needing an excuse for our football fortunes ? The one thing Callahan did for us that was positive was bring in quality players. I will give you Callahan concentrated too much on offense and not defense , and now Bo probably has done the opposite , yet you still pin it all on Callahan.
I guess you guys who still have their heads in the sand as to the real culprit , Solich who took us from top ranking to unranked ; still cant swallow that huh ?
Goober, it looks like you are trying to re-invent history to blame it all on Solich. The great Pederson/Callaclown experiment was a total failure. Do I blame this years offense on Callahan? NO. But you will recall that the great (ha) Callahan managed to have the first losing seasons in recent history not once, but twice. His second time was with HIS players. Pederson/Callahan were total jokes. Neither of them even earned positive mention in Husker History.
SandmanbobSandman Bob from the Sandhills of Nebraska-Go Big Red
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#6 Nov 1, 2009 at 3:30 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by GooberKnows
YO from the Goobster , JUDY JUDY JUDY !!!
Just read a column online from Tom Shatel , and he actually is blaming part of the offensive problems on Bill Callahan , and I will paste below his comment :
"Understand this: flipping the culture on offense will take some time. It might take another year or two, or until some Bill Callahan-era players are gone."
I find this comment ludicrous and lacking in football knowledge , so I sent the following email to Tom Shatel :
Hi Tom
Still using the old Callahan crutch I see , from your last article :
"Understand this: flipping the culture on offense will take some time. It might take another year or two, or until some Bill Callahan-era players are gone."
Still needing an excuse for our football fortunes ? The one thing Callahan did for us that was positive was bring in quality players. I will give you Callahan concentrated too much on offense and not defense , and now Bo probably has done the opposite , yet you still pin it all on Callahan.
I guess you guys who still have their heads in the sand as to the real culprit , Solich who took us from top ranking to unranked ; still cant swallow that huh ?
I guess you forget that last year , even though Bo definetly made strides with the defense , our offense was our strength. What you also forget is in college football , seniors move on and coaches are faced with making changes and have to adjust to a change of players every year. I guess we will see in the next 2 to 3 years how coach Pelini does with his own players , I guess if you look at Iowa State , he evidently isnt doing much better than Callahan ?
I wonder how you will spin it in a couple years , if the wins dont come ?
I am on board and % 100 percent behind Bo and think he has done a great job , but I still find it humerous at the tortured reasonings some still find to explain our fall from the top.
I also wonder if writers like yourself will look back in a few years and actually find a topic to talk about that is both accurate and football knowledgeable ?
You remind me alot of the Bush administration and now the Obama group who like to find lots of ways of blaming current negativities on the previous administration. I guess it comes down to reality and taking responsibility and accountability and absorbing it in a realistic way.
If Bo doesnt take us from where Solich and Callahan last stood , I guess you would have to look at Tom Osbornes two decisions , first giving the keys to Solich and then firing Callahan as the real reasons behind our demise.
The most revealing truth I look at in the last couple years is after Callahan took us to the Big 12 north championship in 3 years , now all his detractors say " well this is going to take time , Bo needs time " I guess Callahan only had 3 to 4 years and he had PLENTY OF TIME ? Hyprocritical to say the least. But I guess anything is fair game to folks who need an excuse as to why their man Solich was such a failure.
Of course I hope that Bo DOES take us from where we are now , but he will need more time and patience than you gave BC , or Solich for that matter. The real reason behind Callahans failure and now Bo's is the transition of coaching staffs takes away both recruits and depth.
Keep your head in the sand , I guess you need excuses for NU's play , just wonder what you will talk about when Bo has his own seniors to coach ?
Hope all is well in your football world , with your views , hope it helps you to cope with losing to Iowa State in the way we did ; Callahans fault , WOW ! I guess that makes you feel better ? I guess reporting facts and reality doesnt equate in your football world ?
Hope your reasoning works out for us , and Bo takes us to the top .
If not , boy do you and yours sure look silly ...

I think Bill Callahan was an utter failure at Nebraska in every sense of the word. I however dont think you can blame Callahan for our offensive woes now. Look what our defense is doing now from one of the worst in the country to one of the best in two short years. The o -line is the problem dont know whos fault is is I just want it fixed. I bet practices are real ugly our d-line vs our o-line . How can our o-line be so soft going against that d in practice daily?
Goober you are right in saying this will take time is right. What you fail to remember is that it took Callahan one year to take a 10 win team to 5 wins with someone elses talent. It was 3 more years before he won 5 with mostly his own players.That last year of his was also the worst defense by far in Husker history.This I am afraid is going to be a long year if we cant get the offense going. You cant expect the offense to win every game. Go Big Offense !!!
Solich had his problems without a doubt , however he won more games than Osborne or Devaney in his 6 years compared to their first six years. Callahan also had more losing seasons (2) than Solich,Osborne and Devaney combined (0). By the way Solich is 6-3 this year so far. Solich is now 29-29 at Ohio which to me is much more impressive than the 27-22 that Callahan had at Nebraska. When you compare Solich to the Ohio record for the previous 40 years to Callahan the same way there truly is no comparison.Husker Power
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#7 Nov 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by schuskerfan
I think Bill Callahan was an utter failure at Nebraska in every sense of the word. I however dont think you can blame Callahan for our offensive woes now. Look what our defense is doing now from one of the worst in the country to one of the best in two short years. The o -line is the problem dont know whos fault is is I just want it fixed. I bet practices are real ugly our d-line vs our o-line . How can our o-line be so soft going against that d in practice daily?
Goober you are right in saying this will take time is right. What you fail to remember is that it took Callahan one year to take a 10 win team to 5 wins with someone elses talent. It was 3 more years before he won 5 with mostly his own players.That last year of his was also the worst defense by far in Husker history.This I am afraid is going to be a long year if we cant get the offense going. You cant expect the offense to win every game. Go Big Offense !!!
Solich had his problems without a doubt , however he won more games than Osborne or Devaney in his 6 years compared to their first six years. Callahan also had more losing seasons (2) than Solich,Osborne and Devaney combined (0). By the way Solich is 6-3 this year so far. Solich is now 29-29 at Ohio which to me is much more impressive than the 27-22 that Callahan had at Nebraska. When you compare Solich to the Ohio record for the previous 40 years to Callahan the same way there truly is no comparison.
I agree with your comments about Solich at Ohio vs. Callahan at Nebraska...so much so that I'm putting Ohio in my Husker Locker Top 25 this week.Bo Bo Blackshirts!
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#8 Nov 1, 2009 at 6:06 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by DieHardHusker
Just to be clear, Shatel's column was a point of view that attempted to explain the struggles of the offense. He spoke to people in the program and quotes them as saying that several of the players still aren't tough minded enough. That translates into our lack of physicality, mental errors and other breakdowns on offense. I don't think Shatel is out of bounds for reporting what he's hearing from coaches and sources who spend time with these guys everyday.
Whats that got to do with Callahan now ?
Opinions are only formed when the recipient pauses , listens , studies and then discerns for memory what is beneficial. Blind ambition only serves to promote deception within the benefactors ignorance. But then ignorance is bliss ....
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#9 Nov 1, 2009 at 6:09 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by UtahHusker7
I agree with your comments about Solich at Ohio vs. Callahan at Nebraska...so much so that I'm putting Ohio in my Husker Locker Top 25 this week.
At this point in the season is
Fearless Frankie above % .500 percent at Bobcat U ?
Wonder if he'll make it to above %.500 percent by the end of the year ?
Wouldnt bet the farm ?
Opinions are only formed when the recipient pauses , listens , studies and then discerns for memory what is beneficial. Blind ambition only serves to promote deception within the benefactors ignorance. But then ignorance is bliss ....
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#10 Nov 1, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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Quote:Originally posted by schuskerfan
I think Bill Callahan was an utter failure at Nebraska in every sense of the word. I however dont think you can blame Callahan for our offensive woes now. Look what our defense is doing now from one of the worst in the country to one of the best in two short years. The o -line is the problem dont know whos fault is is I just want it fixed. I bet practices are real ugly our d-line vs our o-line . How can our o-line be so soft going against that d in practice daily?
Goober you are right in saying this will take time is right. What you fail to remember is that it took Callahan one year to take a 10 win team to 5 wins with someone elses talent. It was 3 more years before he won 5 with mostly his own players.That last year of his was also the worst defense by far in Husker history.This I am afraid is going to be a long year if we cant get the offense going. You cant expect the offense to win every game. Go Big Offense !!!
Solich had his problems without a doubt , however he won more games than Osborne or Devaney in his 6 years compared to their first six years. Callahan also had more losing seasons (2) than Solich,Osborne and Devaney combined (0). By the way Solich is 6-3 this year so far. Solich is now 29-29 at Ohio which to me is much more impressive than the 27-22 that Callahan had at Nebraska. When you compare Solich to the Ohio record for the previous 40 years to Callahan the same way there truly is no comparison.
Frank won with Toms recruits and then bottomed out with his own. You cannot dispute that under Solich we went from top 5 to unranked. Callahan won the Big 12 north title in three years , and broke virtually every NU passing record. We still benefit from his recruits and coaching hires. I hope Bo keeps up the good work and think he is a great coach and has a great staff , but if Bo isnt any more successful than Bill , Callahan got short changed . Yes Callahan would have had to find another D coordinator , just like when Solich got rid of Bol , but to say that we need TIME to make this happen NOW , is hyprocritical. Hopefully this is all water under the bridge and we now have a great staff , but to blame the offense's woes on Callahan at this point is both unrealistic and lacks football knowledge.
What alot of folks forget is that Callahan had a decent running game while he was coaching at NU , as a matter of fact a few of his running backs played / play on Sundays. Our woes on the offensive line have more to do with strength and conditioning than Bill Callahan. Why isnt anyone wondering about Dobsons strength program ? We sure have some big boys up front for as little push as we get on the running game. Also we have abandoned the fullback.Opinions are only formed when the recipient pauses , listens , studies and then discerns for memory what is beneficial. Blind ambition only serves to promote deception within the benefactors ignorance. But then ignorance is bliss ....
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